Posts by Nathan Natas

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The paranormal.

by Lost in the fog in

i know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.

but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.

if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?

Nathan Natas

You are correct, Unsure, because reality and imagination are two different things.

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The paranormal.

by Lost in the fog in

i know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.

but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.

if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?

Nathan Natas

Describe for me, if you will, how beings in the metaphysical world evolved.

Are they the ghosts of amoebas?

I'll wait...

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when i first seen this website i actually thought it was a jw website hence the home page and not an ex jw website and i posted a topic thinking people were real witnesses then i quickly discovered it was not and all these people were commenting and embarrassing me and i couldn’t even delete the thread.

then i asked the admin to delete it and i said it was very misleading saying it’s a jw page and he’s like are you serious i deleted your topic and now you are attacking me and it clearly says ex jw page.

he was very rude and btw no where does it say ex jw and you should be able to delete your own threads you start.

Nathan Natas

What about that Dub Chickie who posted last week about lookin' for love...

Simon wasted few moments taking THAT ONE down.

Was she looking for a pink pizza?

Was I the only one who saw that?

I was going to reply, but real gurls scare me.

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May 1 2018 my Ayahuasca Experience

by new boy in

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it has been over a year and a half since my last ceremony.

which was way to long.

my son came up from scottsdale for the ceremony.

Nathan Natas

Here's my take on this subject:

Since life began on this planet, organisms have developed SENSES as a way of comprehending and taking advantage of the world in which they live.

Following the principle of NATURAL SELECTION, those individuals who had better-functioning ways of discriminating their world PROSPERED, while those without these advantages walked the wide highway to extinction.

As time passed, the quality of these EVOLVING SENSES improved. Eons passed thus.

Creatures evolved who had an appreciation for the "buzz" that the ethanol produced by fermenting fruits produced. Some creatures found the experiences offered by certain cacti and fungi were entertaining.

Along came Alley-Oop, a.k.a. Adam. He saw elephants and birds getting drunk, and he thought, "Hmmmm..."

He got HUNGRY. Not for wisdom; for BREAKFAST.

He saw the orange-red mushroom caps, he saw the cacti and the other fruitage of the field, and he partook of them, and he DIED. Today there is no one who is a descendant of Alley-Oop.

(Nota Bene: with the exception of some marine creatures (fish,etc.), there are no known meat products that will get you high. Was Cain the first person to declare war on vegetables? Let me know if you figure it out.)

Alley-Oop's cousin Enoch continued Alley's investigation of the world.

Fast-forward 300,000 years or so. In 1938 AD a caveman named Al Hoffman synthesizes the compound that inspired The Book of Revelation.

A few years later another caveman named Al (coincidence? You tell me.) Huxley suggests that some molecules are keys that open the doors of perception.

He was wrong.

Evolution did not spend five billion years running down a blind alley, developing tools that were dull by design.

No, there molecules f-up the few senses you were born with. Want proof? Look at those who indulge in those molecules.

Are they and their three-eyed idiot kids BETTER than you? OK, poor choice of comparisons...

Are they better than ME?

No.

I rest my case.

That's my opinion, as far as you know.

People who claim otherwise deny the mute testimony of evolution. Hail Gaia! Hail Eris! Hail YES!

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Gofundme account opened for funeral costs

by Amelia Ashton in

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simon, i hope this is ok to post here.. for those who dont know yesterday a terrible car accident took the life of a lovely young woman leah ryan.

she was the daughter of 2 members here who go by the names of sleeping beauty and her husband hairy he goat.. leah"s sister has started an account to help fund funeral costs.

for any wishing to donate here is the link.. https://www.gofundme.com/for-leah-my-beautiful-sisters-funeral?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_co_shareflow_m&fbclid=iwar1z971joytaqnsy0zyq1_admdyxzqjpgrlf7l2-teq1nalnnqc6wcsn3pq.

Nathan Natas

I hope Jon and Sharon see this thread, so they can explain why they are unable to provide for their own family and HOW they figure that "it takes a village" to provide for their kids.

I didn't speak unkindly - I spoke HONESTLY. The Dub mentality that runs from debate resorted to unkind words because they cannot explain how this sad event becomes MY problem.

So to all you sweetheart maggots out there, "Kiss, kiss, geniuses!"

Back in the good old days, there was shame properly associated with begging. Today we call this begging "crowdsourcing." Instead of sitting on the curb with a battered tin cup or brass begging-bowl in their grasp, beggars set up "crowdsourcing" pages. The Crowdsourcing companies make a nice living and employment for techno-nerds increases. Or did you REALLY BELIEVE that GoFundMe was a charity, you naif?

Where once people would seek a LOAN from a bank or shylock with the idea of PAYING IT BACK, today's "crowdsourcing" eliminates the concept of indebtedness - you give me money, I start a company, I make a profit and you get a thank you email. Economics 666? I guess.

I am disappointed that so many of you - especially YOU (you know who you are) - are so unskilled at debate and/or argumentation that you swiftly resort to "FUCK YOUs" and "MAGGOT" and "(I'm too demure to say FUCK YOU, so I'll just say) "I agree with the guy who said FUCK YOU, 'cause I'm a refined lay-dee."

Now, first reply to this with "FUCK YOU" gets $1. Hurry!

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Hello

by Hendrixgrip in

hi, this is my long overdue introduction.

i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.

i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.

Nathan Natas

Hendrixgrip, for a guy who feels he doesn't have a lot to contribute, I'd say YOU HAVE A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE!

Everyone who successfully leaves the WTB&TS can help others, don't discredit your accomplishment, the WTB&TS FEARS you!

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Gofundme account opened for funeral costs

by Amelia Ashton in

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simon, i hope this is ok to post here.. for those who dont know yesterday a terrible car accident took the life of a lovely young woman leah ryan.

she was the daughter of 2 members here who go by the names of sleeping beauty and her husband hairy he goat.. leah"s sister has started an account to help fund funeral costs.

for any wishing to donate here is the link.. https://www.gofundme.com/for-leah-my-beautiful-sisters-funeral?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_co_shareflow_m&fbclid=iwar1z971joytaqnsy0zyq1_admdyxzqjpgrlf7l2-teq1nalnnqc6wcsn3pq.

Nathan Natas

Cofty is feeling like he didn't donate enough, so he's blaming me.

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Gofundme account opened for funeral costs

by Amelia Ashton in

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friends

simon, i hope this is ok to post here.. for those who dont know yesterday a terrible car accident took the life of a lovely young woman leah ryan.

she was the daughter of 2 members here who go by the names of sleeping beauty and her husband hairy he goat.. leah"s sister has started an account to help fund funeral costs.

for any wishing to donate here is the link.. https://www.gofundme.com/for-leah-my-beautiful-sisters-funeral?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_co_shareflow_m&fbclid=iwar1z971joytaqnsy0zyq1_admdyxzqjpgrlf7l2-teq1nalnnqc6wcsn3pq.

Nathan Natas

StanLiveDeath opined, "Nat--you are way out of touch with funeral costs in the UK."

You don't have no-frills cremations? Does the UK build a Taj Mahal for everyone in Potter's Field?

Now we know how many silly geese there are in the UK - 189 at last count. Watch that number climb, because everyone is SO SAD!

Next week they'll need cash for a BBQ - send money NOW!!!

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Gofundme account opened for funeral costs

by Amelia Ashton in

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friends

simon, i hope this is ok to post here.. for those who dont know yesterday a terrible car accident took the life of a lovely young woman leah ryan.

she was the daughter of 2 members here who go by the names of sleeping beauty and her husband hairy he goat.. leah"s sister has started an account to help fund funeral costs.

for any wishing to donate here is the link.. https://www.gofundme.com/for-leah-my-beautiful-sisters-funeral?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_co_shareflow_m&fbclid=iwar1z971joytaqnsy0zyq1_admdyxzqjpgrlf7l2-teq1nalnnqc6wcsn3pq.

Nathan Natas

Wow, I guess with age comes wisdom. I wasn't this wise last week!

No ONE is saying this isn't real, or sad, but how is this a COMMUNITY RESPONSIBILITY, especially when NO extenuating circumstances have been cited.

My final plans are for a no-frills cremation with no service. Cost is about one-tenth of what this money grab seeks. EXPLAIN.

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26 Years Later

by Victor in

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i'm one of earliest adopters of the internet in discovering the real history of the watchtower.

back then it was the wild wild west with newsgroups being the primary sources of information.

then came watchtower observer, freeminds, and all the other sites that followed jwd was one of the later sites.

Nathan Natas

VICTOR said, "Back then the only published books were Confessions of a Watchtower Slave, Ray Franz' books, and Visions of Glory."

As someone who was around "back then," I want to clarify the chronology of those 3 pioneering books:

"Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave : The Confessions of a Converted Jehovah's Witness" by William Jacob Schnell, appeared in 1953 and was not widely known, as far as I know - it was "before my time." I have not read it because: a) I don't need it b) I have heard that it wasn't that good; revealed no secret history, etc., mostly a list of personal complaints.

"Visions of Glory: A History and a Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses" by Barbara Grizutti Harrison appeared in 1978. THIS was "my book." I had the great joy of speaking with BGH before her death. This book really helped crack my cosmic egg.

"Crisis of Conscience : The Struggle between Loyalty to God and Loyalty to One's Religion" by Raymond Franz, (c.1983) I understand that to many people this is "THE" book. I left BEFORE Ray Franz did. If he met me in 1980, he would have DISFELLOWSHIPPED me, so I don't feel I owe him anything. I have read portions of his book. His second book, "In Search of Christian Freedom" materialized in 1992.

I post this to make it clear that these books were NOT contemporaneous. They served vastly different audiences.

I could not find any book with the exact title "Confessions of a Watchtower Slave".